Keep Talkin' Rudy - "I Believe That a Woman Has the Right to Choose"
Maybe after Rudy says this a few more times, those conservatives who are considering voting for him will snap out of it:
Rudy Giuliani: 'A Woman Has the Right to Choose' AbortionMy Comments:
Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani met with firefighters and police officers in this early voting state Wednesday, using the forum to reference the Sept. 11 terror attacks, which earned him national attention.
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Giuliani has a tough road ahead in South Carolina, which is to host the first Southern primaries in 2008. His moderate positions on gun control and support for abortion rights do not sit well with the state's Christian conservatives, who accounted for a third of the 2000 GOP primary vote. Those voters swung heavily to President Bush that year, giving him a 2-1 ratio margin over Arizona Sen. John McCain, who was viewed as soft on abortion.
On Wednesday, Giuliani reiterated his own position.
"I'd advise my daughter or anyone else not to have an abortion," Giuliani said. "I'd like to see it ended, but ultimately I believe that a woman has the right to choose.
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Notice that Rudy doesn't say that he believes abortion to be a necessary evil. He says "I believe that a woman has the right to choose." The "right" to choose an abortion. As in, it's protected by the Constitution.
Does that sound like someone you'd trust to nominate Supreme Court Justices opposed to the sort of legislating from the bench that gave us Roe v. Wade?
Previous Pro Ecclesia posts on this subject:
Yet Another "Staunch Pro-Lifer" Puts Politics Above Principle
Conservatives Who Should Know Better Continue to Flirt With Disaster
Has Rudy "Earned" a Pass From Conservatives?
Why Catholics Cannot Vote for Rudy Guiliani
Rudy Giuliani Says He Backs Pro-Life Laws But Supports Legal Abortion
Rudy’s a No-Go
That's News to Me
Resources Rolling In for Pro-Abort, Pro-Gay, Anti-Gun Presidential Candidate (and He's "Catholic" to Boot)
The Pro-Giuliani Crowd Tries to Rehabilitate the Mayor's Image Among Pro-Lifers
Brownback: I Could Support Rudy
For the Second Day in a Row, I Find Myself in the Uncomfortable Position of Agreeing With the DNC
Meet the Next President: Giuliani Tops in Early GOP Polls
Presidential Election Still 2 Years Away, But GOP Seems Intent on Self-Immolation
The Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani In 2008
Southern Appeal Takes on The Anchoress' Support for Rudy Giuliani's Presidential Aspirations
Pro-Abort, Pro-Gay, Anti-Gun Republican Tops Pro-Abort, Pro-Gay, Anti-Gun Democrat in Recent Poll
Four in 10 Republicans Would Not Find McCain an "Acceptable" Nominee
Pro-Abort/Pro-Gay Republican Tops Pro-Abort/Pro-Gay Democrat In Presidential Poll - Who Cares?
Pat Robertson Says Giuliani Would Be "Good President"
Labels: Dissident Catholics, Elections, Pro-Life, Rudy
posted by Pro Ecclesia 2:44 PM
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12 Comments:
What I keep wondering, reading your and others' posts on possible presidential candidates and their positions on abortions is what, given the incredible likelihood of a lose-lose situation re: abortion, a conservative pro-lifer, a Catholic, anyone with a conscience about politics, should do on election day. Stay home & pray? Sorry if this sounds snide, but it is a depressing situation, and if Catholic bloggers don't get the pro-Life candidate of our dreams, we are being told that others are not viable options. Is there simply no solution but to hope for better, uphold our own principles, and not worry about who wins the election, as I keep hearing?
I don't yet know what the answer is, but I know it's not Rudy. He has absolutely nothing to recommend him to anyone who calls oneself either "conservative" or "pro-life".
I doubt there are many pro-lifers who would give Rudy the time of day if he were a Democrat. Why, then, should it matter that he has an "R" next to his name?
And to be honest with you, given the similarity between their positions on the issues, and the likelihood of GOP opposition in Congress against a Democrat but not a member of their own party, I'm not so sure that voting for Hillary over Giuliani wouldn't be the lesser of two evils.
I agree that Giuliani is not a viable Republican candidate--I don't think he could win it! I've tried to explain to a friend that a Democrat in Ohio (or New Orleans) is different from a Democrat in Texas (where she is from originally). Rudy might qualify as a Republican for some New Yorkers (or maybe the Democrats voted him in), but he's not Republican enough for Republicans in much of the country.
However, I don't think you're giving Hillary enough credit for divisiveness, and I think others are giving too much credit to Rudy in assuming that he can run a country as effectively (?) as a city.
Thanks for taking my post in the spirit in which it was intended, and answering it honestly! :)
Sorry if this sounds snide, but it is a depressing situation, and if Catholic bloggers don't get the pro-Life candidate of our dreams, we are being told that others are not viable options.
There is a wide area of ideological space between the "pro-life candidate of our dreams" and an outright abortion supporter like Rudy Giuliani. Even McCain and Romney, whose positions on abortion are both imperfect and suspect, are infinitely better than Rudy.
“Maybe after Rudy says this a few more times, those conservatives who are considering voting for him will snap out of it:”
Jay;
I really have to take issue with this. These are not Conservatives supporting him, they are simply republicans. We keep being told that republicans are conservative when the reality is the party is split between those that believe in limited government and religion verse those that believe in statism and secularism. The split is not only between democrats and republicans; there is a split between Conservatives and republicans. And sometimes I think if we took the wacko socialists out of the picture there would be no difference between the Rs and Ds.
I've been following the discussion on the conservative political website FreeRepublic for several weeks now, and I think it very likely that a Rudy primary victory would mean the end of the alliance between the GOP and social conservatives (the "Reagan Democrats"). Gerald Ford's death was a good reminder that it hasn't been all that long ago that Republicans were socially liberal and very pro-abortion, and many (even self-declared conservatives) would like to return to those days. If the Republicans revert to type, effectively expelling us, I'm not sure where we could find a political home, but I think it's a topic we need to think about now.
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No offence to you, I believe you are a BIG C Conservative. But the comment is a bit of a pet peeve.
Brian,
My comments about "conservatives" supporting Rudy was in reference to this and this.
Jay;
I was probably looking for something to voice my frustration with Republicans and the Republican Party. As a Conservative I feel betrayed and taken of advantage of. But it’s good to see folks like you are out there. There are many things worst than Hillary winning, like abandoning our principles. I agree; I will not voting for Giuliani.
Don't give up, pro-lifers, here's the plan:
1. Go and see the film "Amazing Grace" about the British abolitionist William Wilburforce, who let his faith lead him, NOT politics.
2. Come to my blog and read, "Sam Brownback the William Wilburforce Republican" He's the real deal, and we can support him, as Tom Monaghan, and Fr. Frank Pavone are doing.
Vote for Amnesty Sam? I'd rather eat glass.
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