Monday, October 15, 2007

Rudy and Religion

Columnist Bob Novak (a Catholic) writes:
WASHINGTON -- The most surprising recent national polling result was an answer given by Republicans who attend church weekly when Gallup asked their presidential preference. A plurality chose Rudy Giuliani, a Catholic who in 1999 said: "I don't attend regularly, but I attend occasionally." Their choice raises deep concern among prominent conservative Republicans who feel it would be a serious mistake for leaders of the religious right to scorn the former mayor of New York.

This is threatening to become a major problem because, contrary to the conventional wisdom, Giuliani has stubbornly kept first place in national surveys of all Republican voters. His elevated status cannot be written off as merely superior name identification. He no longer seems uncomfortable as a Republican and clearly dominated the most recent presidential debate last week in Dearborn, Mich. The real possibility that Giuliani might actually be the Republican nominee led a group of religious conservatives, meeting in Salt Lake City Sept. 29 under the leadership of James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family, to consider a third-party alternative.

But the situation is not a simple confrontation between the Christian right and Giuliani. The Gallup data suggests that Dobson and the Salt Lake City group may be out of touch with rank-and-file churchgoers. A well-known social conservative, who asked that his name not be used, is disturbed by Dobson saying he could not vote for Giuliani under any conditions. Apart from being the lesser of two evils against Sen. Hillary Clinton, Giuliani seems to be the positive choice of millions of religious Americans.

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There is certainly not much in Giuliani's background to attract religious conservatives. After he changed from being a George McGovern Democrat in 1972, his successful 1993 campaign for mayor opposed term limits, school choice and an end to rent controls. As the Republican mayor, he backed Democrat Mario Cuomo's losing fourth-term bid for governor of New York. He consistently has been pro-choice on abortion, pro-gay rights (including gay marriage) and pro-gun control. How anybody that liberal can be the apparent choice of the religious right is attributed by Republican pollster Frank Luntz to Giuliani's reputation for fighting terrorism. "He has turned security into a social issue," Luntz told me.

That does not fully explain the strong support for him by practicing Catholics. Giuliani says he was raised as a Catholic but declines to say whether he practices the religion today. When Archbishop Raymond Burke of St. Louis recently said he would refuse Holy Communion to Giuliani because of his position on abortion, the candidate did not dispute the cleric but merely said, "Everybody has a right to their opinion." There is no evidence that Giuliani attends mass apart from funerals and holidays.


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My Comments:
I will repeat this as often as I need to: this is one religious conservative who WILL NOT VOTE FOR RUDY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Please check out Fr. Fox's post on the prospect of so-called social conservatives voting for Rudy:
... About Giuliani the supposed friend of social conservatives: gimme a break! The credulity with which people accept his promise that he'll appoint only sound judges to the Supreme Court is almost morally imputable--i.e., many of the people who say they believe it, I think cannot be that stupid, so they must be deliberately insincere. Giuliani has a record of appointments in New York City--consult the record; and he said, during a debate, his idea of a "strict constructionist" judge might well uphold Roe v. Wade, so that gives up the game right there.

A President Giuliani will be in a position to frustrate and weaken the prolife movement in ways a President Hilary Clinton never could, because so much of the movement must work within the Republican Party...

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7 Comments:

At 10/16/2007 10:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I will repeat this as often as I need to: this is one religious conservative who WILL NOT VOTE FOR RUDY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES."

This is the required stance for a Catholic during the "primary season," in which we find ourselves. However, it is likely to be a questionable (and possibly improper) stance for a Catholic to take in the general election, if Giuliani were to be the Republican nominee.

Why do I say this? If a Catholic can foresee that the nation would be much more gravely damaged by the election of a Dem over Giuliani, then the Catholic may (and perhaps must) vote for Giuliani. For example, if one is convinced that Giuliani will keep his word about naming "non-activist" judges and justices (potentially overturning Roe v. Wade), it would be obvious that one would have a duty to vote for Giuliani over a flaming liberal Dem.

 
At 10/16/2007 11:36 AM, Blogger RobKPhD said...

I am with you Jay. And I will NEVER vote for Rudy EVEN if he is the candidate. Mine is to stay faithful, not pick the devil who will damn us less.

Anyone who takes his implication that he may appoint judges who might be pro-life is delusional and is being putting its faith in the hands of the Republicans -not God.

 
At 10/16/2007 11:38 AM, Blogger Pro Ecclesia said...

Hogwash! I don't "owe" my vote to the Republican nominee. I am not morally required to vote for Giuliani over Hilliary. Such a "duty" does not exist in Catholic teaching.

Besides, as I have argued at this blog, and others have argued at their blogs (including Fr. Fox at the site I linked in this post, and Regular Guy Paul on countless occasions), Giuliani is quite likely NOT the lesser of the 2 evils, as his nomination would likely torpedo the pro-life movement as a major player in the Republican Party.

Let me repeat:

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, WHETHER IN THE PRIMARIES OR THE GENERAL ELECTION, WILL I (NOR SHOULD ANYONE CLAIMING TO BE PRO-LIFE) EVER VOTE FOR RUDY GIULIANI.

Period. No exceptions.

 
At 10/17/2007 1:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice piece. Nice link.

I linked it on my blog.

http://burketokirk.blogspot.com/2007/10/rudy-watch.html

 
At 10/20/2007 5:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is just your sort of brainless attitude, gentlemen, that caused both houses of Congress to be lost in 2006. Good people sat back and did not vote for the Republicans, and it has reaped the whirlwind. You will have to pay for your error on Judgment Day too, not just under a pro-death presidency that ruins our nation for the rest of its history. You whining spoiled brats!

 
At 10/20/2007 6:01 AM, Blogger Pro Ecclesia said...

I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. I owe my vote to no one and no party.

I am obliged only to my God and my own conscience.

It's "your sort of brainless attitude" that have allowed one party to completely ignore you and the other to take your vote for granted with little of your agenda achieved in return.

How's that working out for ya?

 
At 10/20/2007 6:06 AM, Blogger Pro Ecclesia said...

Furthermore, Republicans lost both houses of Congress because they deserved to. Not that the Democrats deserved to win, but the Republicans most definitely deserved to lose.

The looked more like the Democrats they ousted in 1994 than the Republicans we thought we were voting in. It is wholly their own fault that they lost.

You've misplaced both your blame for the loss as well as your priorities.

 

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